Rubin2020_PCW slack archives day4-thu-slot3b-epo 2020-07-15---2020-08-15

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Hi all. I've added some pre-view materials to the session page!
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Elisabeth Newton Mon 2020-08-10 03:22PM
The demos are really cool! This might be out of the scope, but is there any capability for instructors to create a custom version and/or extract the individual widgets?
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 12:40AM
Typo spotted in Solar System demo: "For hundreds of years we had a simple model of our Solar System: some large planets and their moons, and occasionally a passing comet." > thousands of years
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 12:41AM
"Many of these are brand new discoveries." > most
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 12:43AM
ok I'm just going to put general comments in this thread as I work the demo. For the blinking part, please synchronise the change of frame, the strobing is distracting from the science goal
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 12:45AM
"time it takes to travel from one place to another" > time it takes to travel across part of the sky
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 12:45AM
On the diagram of an orbit, 'focus' dots are a bit small to see relative to the large label
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 12:50AM
NEOs are orbits interior to MBAs, so given the categories are ordered by distance from the sun, they should be listed first
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 12:52AM
The display of the histograms stalls out on p. 8 under Chrome (Version 84.0.4147.105 (Official Build) (64-bit)), although p9 histograms are fine
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 12:54AM
On p. 12, the 'Scientific Name' field is blank for most TNOs
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 12:55AM
I admit it took me a long time to find what the 'speed up' button was meant to be; its symbol might be swapped for something else
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 12:57AM
"According to data displayed in the histogram, which group of Solar System objects is the largest in number?" This is confusingly phrased: there's far more TNOs, for instance, but detection biases mean they can't all be found. I am not sure what the learning objective is here.
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 01:12AM
Something about the way the logic flow on Page 21 is set up I am finding very confusing. I am not sure p. 21 is going to lead to a learning outcome of understanding that the solar system is filled with far more small things and the distant small ones are too faint to see
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 01:13AM
p.24 works well!
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 01:19AM
It took me a bit to realise which data was meant to be the example asteroid's photometry. That text/visualisation match could be cleared up a bit
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 01:20AM
I like the use of the Centaurs as a 'what is this?' class! May want to link to a 'read more about these' page at the end
Lauren Corlies Tue 2020-08-11 12:46AM
Hey Michele! Actually - if it's not too hard for you - would you mind collecting the comments into a single Google doc and then sharing them?? We super appreciate the close reading and it would be much easier to address all of the changes. If it's more effort or inconvenient, no worries.
Michele Bannister Tue 2020-08-11 01:22AM
Sorry, I'm over multiple technologies at the moment...
Elisabeth Newton Wed 2020-08-12 12:10PM
@Lauren Corlies would you want this for the HR diagram was as well? I started working through that demo earlier this week but stopped b/c I wasn't sure the demo was complete.
Lauren Corlies Wed 2020-08-12 12:19PM
Sure - we're always seeking feedback if you're interested in doing a close reading! For the HR diagram though, as you may have noticed, the data for this one is more in progress than the others such that not all questions can be answered with the diagrams. In particular, the white dwarfs are missing from most of the diagrams because I'm still working on a way of converting their colors into accurate enough temperatures and luminosities!

So when you're reading, if you wouldn't mind focusing on things that weren't clear in terms of the interactions or the wording, that would be helpful! Or if you have some tips or suggestions for better/more complete data to be using, that would be great too!
Lauren Corlies Wed 2020-08-12 12:19PM
The HR Diagram has the largest work remaining in terms of the data if you'd prefer to focus on other investigations which are more data complete!
Ranpal (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 07:52AM
Session:_Education and Public Outreach: Interacting with Data in the Browser
Date/time: Thursday August 13, 2020 - 09:00 HST - 12:00 PT - 15:00 EDT - 21:00 CEST - 05:00 AET +1
Link to_
Passcode: 257500
Amanda Bauer Thu 2020-08-13 01:21PM
Hi folks! We've updated the session page and added some links for you. Looking forward to our discussion later today!
Aherrold Thu 2020-08-13 02:58PM
/poll "What best describes your work?" "educator (secondary/undergraduate)" "scientist/engineer" "student" "outreach or science communication professional" "informal educator" "other"
Chris Lintott Thu 2020-08-13 03:00PM
Assign a emoji to each!
Aherrold Thu 2020-08-13 03:00PM
"What best describes your work?"
educator (secondary/undergraduate)scientist/engineer" "student" "outreach or science communication professional" "informal educator" "other"
Ranpal (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 03:01PM
Ardis can i help you with that?
Ranpal (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 03:04PM
"What best describes your work?"
:a: educator (secondary/undergraduate)scientist/engineer
:b: student
:cat: outreach or science communication professional
:dvd: informal educator
:alien: other
Luis Pineda Thu 2020-08-13 03:06PM
Blake Mason Thu 2020-08-13 03:18PM
I come from an arts background, and yet here I am as a developer, building rad astronomy web apps. I'm curious, are you working as an artist for Rubin in some capacity? For some related organization?
Luis Pineda Thu 2020-08-13 06:11PM
Hi Blake, I don't work for Rubin or for any other related organization. I'm an independent documentary photographer from Santiago. Also I work as a freelance web developer and data analyst.
I'm a self-taught person in data sciences and now I'm aiming for Astroinformatics and Astronomy.
I would like to do art projects related to Rubin. I believe that Arts and Sciences belong closer in the goal of bringing science to the common people.
Blake Mason Thu 2020-08-13 07:26PM
Right on. Yea, that's exactly why I asked: I too believe that big complicated datasets are just as interesting to artists as they are to scientists. CERN has an artist residency program, why not us?
Luis Pineda Thu 2020-08-13 09:41PM
I totally agree with you. There is quite an artistic movement, driven by the search and visualization of big data volumes. but with Rubin, there is so much else to explore... not just in terms of data visualization, but also in terms of the cultural meaning for the local communities and whats its means for its historical heritage from now to the future. The question is how there is to be translated this fact, to the local community ( Río Hurtado Valley and Ovalle). We can see an example of this phenomenon actually in the CERN location, when we ask to local communities from Meyrin in Switzerland, and from Saint-Genis-Pouilly in France, what it means CERN for them.
If you are interested, I think we could try to go further with this ideas.
Felipe Daruich Thu 2020-08-13 03:06PM
Rob Sparks (he/him) Thu 2020-08-13 03:06PM
Some of us fit into more than one category!
Frank Kenney Thu 2020-08-13 03:06PM
Slooh Remote Observatory and Outreach Ambassador
Ranpal (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 03:07PM
you can click on more than 1 of the emojis
Jari Backman Thu 2020-08-13 03:08PM
AAVSO Observer and Slooh Outreach Ambassador
Luis Pineda Thu 2020-08-13 03:12PM
About the Skyviewer, it is related to the lsst.afw.display firefly in the LSST Science Pipeline?
Lauren Corlies Thu 2020-08-13 03:16PM
To capture my answer here for future reference - they tools are related in that they both enable a person to explore the LSST data visually. But we are planning on building a front end that is different from the scientific tool of the Rubin Science Platform because we expect a member of the general public to approach the sky very differently from a scientist!
Luis Pineda Thu 2020-08-13 03:14PM
thanks !
Alison Rose Thu 2020-08-13 03:17PM
For a non-US person: what age are middle-schoolers? EPO is targeting audience beginning at age ___?
Frossie Thu 2020-08-13 03:20PM
10-13 roughly
Frossie Thu 2020-08-13 03:20PM
Alison Rose Thu 2020-08-13 03:21PM
Thanks! Hi Frossie!
Frossie Thu 2020-08-13 03:21PM
it's a fairly critical audience as it is one of the first major leaks in the STEM leaky pipeline for women/minorities (hi Rose!)
Alison Rose Thu 2020-08-13 03:22PM
Every astronomer I've ever interviewed knew they wanted to be an astronomer by the time they were 10.
Frossie Thu 2020-08-13 03:22PM
damn I was a laggard! I waited till I was 11!
Blake Mason Thu 2020-08-13 03:22PM
When I was 10 yrs old I was 100% sure I wanted to be a clown. Where did I go wrong?
Frossie Thu 2020-08-13 03:23PM
there's still time, Blake :clown_face:
Alison Rose Thu 2020-08-13 03:26PM
Sorry, I'm romanticizing a bit. Someone in Toronto once wrote a series of newspaper feature stories about 10 being the perfect age. :slightly_smiling_face: I loved the idea. maybe I should tone it down. Blake, I know someone who did a post doc in AI at U of T, and also did clowning.
Frossie Fri 2020-08-14 02:30PM
@Alison Rose if you have not seen the documentary series starting with 7 Up (then 14 Up, 21 Up, etc) boy do I have the recommendation for you
Blake Mason Fri 2020-08-14 02:45PM
Oh gosh, it is the most wonderfully uplifting/heartbreaking doc series ever. Anthropology meets reality tv mets home movies. Often emulated, but never equaled. I am so curious how long the series will continue. Apted has two gals he's been working with on the last two, and are probs his presumed successors, but it's more than filmmaking, Apted has created community between the subjects, and himself and the subjects, in an unparalleled way. Like, if you're a participant, and you've been chatting with this one guy for 56 years, are you really interested in starting/continuing that conversation with someone else. Movie magic.
Alison Rose Fri 2020-08-14 03:41PM
I know it. I'm so glad you do too. I Imagine if I start filming some young people now, I may follow them as a part of the Rubin Observatory Doc Project for 50 years. Wouldn't that be amazing.
Blake Mason Fri 2020-08-14 04:00PM
Legacy Survey of Space, Time, and People
Orlando Mendez Thu 2020-08-13 03:19PM
Lovely the widgets... REally a thing to play with :tada:
Blake Mason Thu 2020-08-13 03:20PM
thanks! playing === learning ...for me at least
Ignacio Reyes Thu 2020-08-13 03:20PM
Are you planning on providing resources for non-english speaking audiences?
Elisabeth Newton Thu 2020-08-13 03:20PM
Can the widgets from the classroom interactive demos be extracted to make a custom (shorter or more focused) demo?
Lauren Corlies Thu 2020-08-13 03:31PM
To record the answer here for those interested! Not yet - but that's a plan for the future. The widgets are all being built in GitHub so future collaboration should be easy to begin once our prototypes are in a more polished state!
Elisabeth Newton Thu 2020-08-13 03:45PM
Thanks! This will be great--I'd like to use them in my college intro class (eventually), but only have about a third the time intended.
Aherrold Thu 2020-08-13 03:20PM
middle school is typically ages 11-13. Our investigations are designed for advanced middle school, so we are really thinking about gifted students at this level (although some middle school teachers say it would work for their average students as well
Orlando Mendez Thu 2020-08-13 03:21PM
what is the URL for the formal education program?
Lauren Corlies Thu 2020-08-13 03:25PM
The website for the full program is still under construction! The investigations themselves are linked in the PCW website for this session. If you're interested in seeing more of the support materials, I'd suggest filling out the Google form and giving us some more details and we can send you the information you're looking for!
Heather Kelly (she/her) Thu 2020-08-13 03:22PM
Are there effort to support the visually impaired on these pages?
Luis Pineda Thu 2020-08-13 03:22PM
can you share the link please?
Blake Mason Thu 2020-08-13 03:23PM
which link are you looking for?
Kristen Thu 2020-08-13 03:24PM
@Luis Pineda this is the one we're asking people to look at during this session:
Luis Pineda Thu 2020-08-13 03:25PM
thanks that's what i wanted to say
Jamie Dumayne Thu 2020-08-13 03:23PM
How are multimedia videos going to be distributed will it be through YouTube (or other platforms)? Or will they be able to be downloaded and accessed without an internet connection?
Lauren Corlies Thu 2020-08-13 03:26PM
We are building a multimedia gallery as part of our full Operations website. Assets will be there with appropriate meta-information as well as posted on YouTube!
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 03:24PM
thank you for answering my question!
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 03:24PM
I think the scientist of Rubin are mostly at R1 but a lot of us have connections with local colleged HBCU etc
Aprajita Verma Thu 2020-08-13 03:25PM
Completely understand the goals to provide all of the tools and capability for those who have internet access be it via PCs/laptops, tablets, phones etc, but are there any EPO plans to reach and provide other resources/materials in communities that may be less web linked, as well as those who would not normally engage in science-based outreach?
2. Can the Content Strategist that is being recruited be located internationally or must they be o-located with the EPO team?
Aprajita Verma Thu 2020-08-13 03:27PM
Lauren Corlies Thu 2020-08-13 03:28PM
To record my answer here! We tend to ask a team member to be local in Tucson for ~6 month to a year to get a sense of how to integrate and work with the team. But that's all flexible in terms of timing given the current state of the world.
Aprajita Verma Thu 2020-08-13 03:30PM
thanks @Lauren Corlies !
Kristen Thu 2020-08-13 03:26PM
This is the link to our testing
Blake Mason Thu 2020-08-13 03:26PM
@Blake Mason set the channel topic: <>
Francisco Forster Thu 2020-08-13 03:27PM
How can broker teams help with the EPO effort?
Lauren Corlies Thu 2020-08-13 04:02PM
We are definitely looking to feature alerts on the website in multiple ways! Right now, we are actively hiring a backend developer who is going to help us define when and how we can interact with the brokers and use data on the website. So I expect us to be reaching out in the near future to discuss closer collaboration and to talk about ways brokers also think it would be fun to present their work to the public!
Frank Kenney Thu 2020-08-13 03:27PM
If I weren't so retired :sunglasses:
Alison Rose Thu 2020-08-13 03:28PM
Hi, re. the 5 full draft investigations on . How long will attendees have access to these?
Lauren Corlies Thu 2020-08-13 03:36PM
To capture Blake's answer: these are our current best working version! The links should be valid for at least 6 months. And if they ever break, feel free to reach out to us for a new one.
Aherrold Thu 2020-08-13 03:30PM
@Orlando Mendez I can provide a much more comprehensive overview of all of the support materials in place even though the website is not yet functional. please reach out to me at
Orlando Mendez Thu 2020-08-13 03:36PM
Thanks, @Aherrold . I'll email you later :-)
Frank Kenney Thu 2020-08-13 03:32PM
Hoping your priorities remain high level as the observatory struggles with all their future challenges
mrawls Thu 2020-08-13 03:37PM
I just played with the first demo :slightly_smiling_face: it's not clear to me why clicking on the right spot in the image yields magical measurements of velocity and distance, but I have to manually guesstimate where to plot the dot on the graph. Going from visual measurement to numbers is the part I'm hypothetically interested to learn about, while putting a dot on a graph seems straightforward.
mrawls Thu 2020-08-13 03:38PM
The astrometry also looks kind of bad :laughing:
mrawls Thu 2020-08-13 03:42PM
Thanks for answering live - it makes more sense if this comes in the middle of a lesson where they have already learned about how distances and velocities are measured.
Luis Pineda Thu 2020-08-13 03:37PM
fun demo
Jari Backman Thu 2020-08-13 03:37PM
I am glad that there is time to go through these investigations. The pages look compact containing much relevant material and high-level graphics.
Tim Lister Thu 2020-08-13 03:38PM
(This Q can wait until after demo) How are you handling the internationalization/localization into other languages ? Experience within the team or contracting out ?
Pankaj Bhambhani Thu 2020-08-13 03:39PM
Q (can wait until end of demo): Is the EPO currently targeting just educators and students, or will there also be resources available for people who do other kind of community outreach? I run a small meetup that tries to promote science and astronomy in the local community, and our audience is mostly adult and not students. I was wondering if I could leverage some of the fantastic resources that you guys are developing.
Aprajita Verma Thu 2020-08-13 03:41PM
Demo is great. In the H0 demo, you can put the data points anywhere and get completely the wrong answer for H0, perhaps you could add some check stage with a soft-radius tolerance to say a dot/dots has been placed in approx the right place before you fit the line.
mrawls Thu 2020-08-13 03:45PM
Yes I think this would enhance it a lot! The minimizing/reopening of the plot is also a bit counterintuitive, I'd rather it stayed open the whole time and there was some feedback given on when the point was roughly in the right spot. Maybe appearing/disappearing gridlines would help? Eyeballing it was legit hard
Will Clarkson Thu 2020-08-13 03:42PM
Ardis' comment about students finding graph fitting nontrivial - yes absolutely!!
Gregory Dubois-Felsmann Thu 2020-08-13 03:43PM
There's "You found it!" feedback on the supernova - you could do something similar for the plotting.
Rob Bovill Thu 2020-08-13 03:43PM
where do you want the feedback? in this channel? offline, so to speak?
Orlando Mendez Thu 2020-08-13 03:45PM
I had understood this is the feedback survey?
Rob Bovill Thu 2020-08-13 03:48PM
thank you!
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 03:43PM
I dont see the google form either
Meg Schwamb Thu 2020-08-13 03:45PM
Are you envisioning any activities that might involve a python notebook say for an undergraduate astrophysics for physics majors course or an undergraduate coding course for physics undergraduate majors ?
Aherrold Thu 2020-08-13 03:45PM
@Pankaj Bhambhani we began first with developing formal ed products, but yes, we are developing materials to be used for all audiences: support for Citizen science projects, sky viewer, the general web page, media for science centers and planetaria, and hopefully in the future being able to use interactives
Pankaj Bhambhani Thu 2020-08-13 03:47PM
Sounds great! Thanks!
Gregory Dubois-Felsmann Thu 2020-08-13 03:46PM
I liked the pedagogical "feel" of plotting the point myself, but maybe if it were enhanced with live-updating tick-marks sliding along the axes, for instance, you could accommodate both students who are comfortable with putting the dot "sort of" in the right place, and others who may be more psychologically concerned with getting it in exactly the right place.
Jari Backman Thu 2020-08-13 03:47PM
I wasn't always sure that the page was done, maybe a feedback 'Great, move on' after last save button is pressed?
Kristen Thu 2020-08-13 03:47PM
Here is the link to the form we're using to collect specific feedback:
mrawls Thu 2020-08-13 03:49PM
ooooh the 3D orbit plots are shiny and fun, the closer/farther Q is tricky and requires people to actually look at timestamps haha (and maybe assume image scales are the same)
Michele Bannister Thu 2020-08-13 03:49PM
Q: Who's the best contact person in your team if we want to discuss potential contributions under the In-Kind process?
Amanda Bauer Thu 2020-08-13 05:44PM
hi @Michele Bannister ! the in-kind process is done on a national level - that's why the page suggests you reach out to Phil Marshall, who is coordinating the program with national program officers. You can talk to me about what you have in mind for EPO specifically, but an official in-kind contribution would ultimately need to be coordinated at that high level.

i'm curious what you have in mind, so want to work together to make it work in the best scenario for everyone!
Michele Bannister Thu 2020-08-13 06:05PM
great, thanks Amanda!
Matthew (he/his) Thu 2020-08-13 03:49PM
Do you mind demoing the last part of the investigation? It's not clear what I'd get out of that, as a 10-13 yo.
Luis Pineda Thu 2020-08-13 03:50PM
I think that jupyter notbooks and tutorials are a good way to introduce adult audience in to citizen science... I'm devoted to explore all the tutorials I can find in Github,, but still I have many questions about the meaning of the outputs
Blake Mason Thu 2020-08-13 03:53PM
If you have a tutorial you like the most I'd love a link. I'm just starting to explore the jupyter notebooks platform. I'm a web develop[er who has never had to touch python, but it's about time.
Luis Pineda Thu 2020-08-13 03:57PM

Here is how you install the LSST science pipeline, and the starting point for the analysis ,,, you have to follow the instructions, its well explained
Luis Pineda Thu 2020-08-13 03:58PM
there you well understand the butler, the coadds, the displays. and classification analysis
Lauren Corlies Thu 2020-08-13 04:05PM
I think Astropy is an incredibly useful astronomy package that also has a bunch of notebooks that demonstrate some basic astronomy functions!
Pankaj Bhambhani Thu 2020-08-13 04:38PM
I second astropy notebooks and tutorials.
Blake Mason Thu 2020-08-13 04:38PM
Amanda Bauer Thu 2020-08-13 05:47PM
to clarify - researchers who want to PI a citizen science project would use the Rubin Science Platform's tools and a jupyter notebook to send a sample dataset to the zooniverse project builder platform. the actual citizen science project would be run on the zooniverse platform, so citizen scientists contributing to a specific project would not use jupyter notebooks.
Matthew (he/his) Thu 2020-08-13 03:52PM
Yes, thank you.
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 03:54PM
I think the statement that SN Ia have all the same brightness is misleading (tho SNe are my daily bread so perhaps I see it from too much of a specialist point of view?)
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 03:55PM
they have a 3 mag distribution at peak and the fact that they are standardizable instead of standard is quite important and core to cosmology
Aherrold Thu 2020-08-13 04:04PM
Fed, I would be interested in continuing this conversation with you. If you look at an entry level textbook, the standard line about Type Ia Sne is they can be used as standard candles because they all achieve the same peak luminosity. So how do we refine the language so not to get into the weeds and confuse a novice learner?
Lauren Corlies Thu 2020-08-13 04:20PM
I had also raised this point Fed so maybe you can find some better, less confusing language!_

As an aside, I had also started trying to fit light curves so I could provide the photometry that had been standardized which would make the comparison to a single absolute magnitude more accurate. But I got stuck and moved on when it seemed like the increase in accuracy wasn't required. If you and Ardis chat and decide that could be an interesting direction, it's something I could pick back up and keep exploring!
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 04:38PM
well i guess it would depend on how long the activity can be: but to say that the Ias have the same shape
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 04:39PM
so they can all be _standardized_ to understand their true luminosity would be a very significant improvement in the understanding of how this really works
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 04:40PM
so maybe a 2-step process
Aherrold Thu 2020-08-13 04:40PM
Thank you!
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 04:40PM
first you say they are the same brightness,
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 04:41PM
then you say relly they are not but we have a trick: they are the same shape! so they can be measured in the same standardized framework
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 04:41PM
which is what Lauren was alluding to | but again - just a suggestion cause i miss a lot of context, both about who this is really directed to and about what can be taught at that level in that amount of time
Lauren Corlies Thu 2020-08-13 04:43PM
I like that too Fed because then you can tie that into the template shape that they need to stretch/change to better match the data!
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 04:47PM
i can imagine a cut gui where you can pull the lightcurve in any direction to match a template!
Federica Bianco (she/her/hers) Thu 2020-08-13 04:47PM
and then you get your standardize magnitude
mrawls Thu 2020-08-13 03:54PM
I also couldn't manage to get the SN light curves to zoom/scale :laughing:
Alisa Bettale Thu 2020-08-13 03:55PM
Other than these online investigations, is the EPO team looking into designing other classroom activities for in-person use? (for the future!)
Alisa Bettale Thu 2020-08-13 03:55PM
Like hands-on activities for teachers
Alisa Bettale Thu 2020-08-13 03:56PM
to use in the classroom
Gregory Dubois-Felsmann Thu 2020-08-13 03:56PM
I have to drop off - thanks for a great session. It's really good to see the material and ideas coming together!
Matthew (he/his) Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
Great talk and awesome demo! :clap:
Rob Bovill Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
Luis Pineda Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
thank you very much!!!!
Sara (Rosaria) Bonito Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
Orlando Mendez Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
thanks 4 the demo :clap:
Alisa Bettale Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
Thank you! Great presentation.
Michael Reuter Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
Chad Schafer (he/him) Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
Rob Bovill Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
In what settings are you most interested in seeing these tools used? classrooms?
Pankaj Bhambhani Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
thank you! :clap:
Kennylo Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
Tim Lister Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
Thank you EPO folks
Mark Newhouse Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
Jgates Thu 2020-08-13 03:59PM
Aprajita Verma Thu 2020-08-13 04:00PM
thank you!
Jovan Aleksic Thu 2020-08-13 04:00PM
:clap: :clap: :clap:
Tim Holt (He/Him) Thu 2020-08-13 04:00PM
Cristian Thu 2020-08-13 04:00PM
Aherrold Thu 2020-08-13 04:00PM
@Rob Bovill yes, advanced middle school through gen ed non science majors in college
Francisco Forster Thu 2020-08-13 04:00PM
Rob Bovill Thu 2020-08-13 04:01PM
@Aherrold what about more informal settings like science centers, that engage with the general public?
Amanda Bauer Thu 2020-08-13 05:50PM
yes! at the moment they have been developed with the classroom use case, but our intention is to generalize them for broader use - social media, embedded within web articles, etc. something we are hoping to learn about today is other use cases you might have in mind.
Jari Backman Thu 2020-08-13 04:01PM
Great session, thank you! :+1: :clap: :clap:
Jennifer Li Thu 2020-08-13 04:01PM
great session, thanks!
Jbarr Thu 2020-08-13 04:02PM
Thank-you all! Checking in (though, without shouting out) on the EPO work is always a highlight for me of the PCWs!
Jennifer Li Thu 2020-08-13 04:04PM
I strongly recommend including ipython notebook activities, our local outreach group has met lots of middle/high school students who are learning to code and would like to have more advanced material to work on.
Aherrold Thu 2020-08-13 04:09PM
We have very limited scope due to Construction constraints, but I would also love to see in the future a place where students could interact with data and widgets to work on their own research questions. I would hope that the door doesn't shut when we move into Operations. We made a decision early on to design for what most educators need as our primary goal.
Adam Thornton Thu 2020-08-13 06:03PM
From a personal perspective I'd be very interesting in building a bridge that lets you go from the upper end of what you can do with the browser-based EPO to the bottom end of what you could do with a JupyterLab environment.
Adam Thornton Thu 2020-08-13 06:04PM
I mean obviously the DM stack is overkill for anything short of an advanced undergrad course, but Jupyter + astropy + some interesting public data sets seems like it would be feasible, especially if you can put together a notebook curriculum that lets it be mostly self-directed.
Cwalker Thu 2020-08-13 04:13PM
@Aherrold I thought the session started now. I must be mistaken. No one is in the session.
mrawls Thu 2020-08-13 04:16PM
Sorry we missed you, the session ran from 12 - 1pm Pacific (ended 15 min ago), I'm sure the recording will be posted soon!
Kristen Thu 2020-08-13 04:17PM
Yes @Cwalker , the recording should be up within a day or two. Sorry about that!
Aikya Shah Thu 2020-08-13 07:51PM
Oh, I missed the session due to timezone misunderstanding as well. I am kicking myself, it is very frustrating!
Am waiting for the recording...
Kristen Thu 2020-08-13 08:02PM
@Cwalker and @Aikya Shah in the meantime, you can still test out the demo we prepared for the session at your convenience--the links to the demo and the feedback form (where we are collecting people's comments) are on the session page:
Aherrold Thu 2020-08-13 04:46PM
@Rob Bovill we have already made a series of short video clips in full dome and standard format for use in science centers/ planetaria. We don't have specific plans to develop hands-on materials that engage with the public, though quite a few informal educators suggest that they can use components of the formal ed materials. What would you envision that would be helpful? (This is not my primary area of responsibility, so maybe @Amanda Bauer or @Lauren Corlies would like to add to this conversation.)
Ranpal (she/her/hers) Fri 2020-08-14 07:10AM
The recording of the live session is here:
Amanda Bauer Fri 2020-08-14 11:33AM
@Cwalker apologies for the timing mix up. here is the recording of the session and all the links in the slidedeck will be live for a while:
Jovan Aleksic Sat 2020-08-15 08:37AM
Thank you!